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Last post by Desert Fox - February 24, 2024, 04:58:27 PM
Tried the vehicle tape and was just not working. Went to O'Reilly's and got 3M glue designed for emblems. The glue seemed to work pretty well. I think it is basically just a gel super glue.
Skepticism / Science Talk / Re: Indigenous science?
Last post by Quetzalcoatl - February 24, 2024, 04:31:06 PM
So no substantial answer from you. Unsurprising. I can't recall you ever honestly engaging with someone you disagree with.

Maybe this forum, for the sake of honesty, and for better attracting the kind of people the clique wants, should simply change its name and profile?
Recipes / Re: An easy-to-make recipe
Last post by bachfiend - February 24, 2024, 04:26:45 PM
Quote from: daniel1948 on February 24, 2024, 09:00:19 AM
Quote from: bachfiend on February 23, 2024, 10:36:29 PMIf I can't microwave my dinner in one container, I'm not interested (actually, I also don't have an ordinary stove - I got rid of it along with the gas connection when I realised that I hadn't used the stove even once in over 20 years).

I guess you're not a "foodie." I use the microwave to cook oatmeal, to heat a mug of water for my morning decaf, and for heating foods that just need to be warmed up. I eat BIG salads and some raw veggies such as carrots, and of course I eat fruit raw.

Other than that I would consider my meals dreadfully boring if I didn't have a stove. I also make good use of the oven and the fish roaster.

When I lived in Mexico and later in Spain I didn't even have a microwave, and its absence was only a minor inconvenience. I had to use a kettle for heating water and a skillet for warming leftovers. I just cannot imagine not having a stove. Potatoes can be cooked in a microwave, but they are a million times better baked in the oven. Microwaved broccoli is horrid, compared to steamed. Though in a pinch you can steam veggies in a coffee percolator.

I cook my vegetables and beans in a microwave pressure cooker.  I use the microwave to reheat meals.  I can't really see how cooking vegetables or beans on a stove adds to the flavour.  Just adds to the inconvenience of cleaning up afterwards.

'Foodie' is just like 'wine connoisseur.'  It's just a fancy way of justifying food practices and personal preferences.
Podcast Episodes / Re: The Skeptics Guide #972 - ...
Last post by Friendly Angel - February 24, 2024, 04:02:32 PM
I hadn't heard of the Japanese MMR/Autism study - it was more interesting than I thought. Japan had reports of the MMR vaccine causing meningitis, so they pulled the MMR vaccine - that's what created the natural study group. They also had an increase in measles as a result of this.


Podcast Episodes / Re: The Skeptics Guide #972 - ...
Last post by daniel1948 - February 24, 2024, 03:41:45 PM
I absolutely guarantee you that if I said to certain friends of mine "Don't worry about chemical X because you'd have to eat 85 thousand kilograms of it EVERY DAY to reach the safety limit," they would reply, "Well, why eat any of it at all?"

If I said to them that eating a certain product would only give you one-millionth as much of chemical X as you get every day from the environment, they would reply "Well, why eat ANY more than we already get?" Or they'd say, "We're already getting too much. I don't want to increase the amount at all."

People are fucking stupid. I'm just going to enjoy my oatmeal.
Podcast Episodes / Re: The Skeptics Guide #972 - ...
Last post by daniel1948 - February 24, 2024, 03:34:59 PM
And it cannot be stopped, because no matter what laws some countries pass, there will be countries that will welcome developers and the malicious actors that use the technology to disrupt societies.
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Last post by daniel1948 - February 24, 2024, 03:31:17 PM
Be sure to tell us how it went.
Games / Re: Connections
Last post by jt512 - February 24, 2024, 02:50:14 PM
Puzzle #258

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Skepticism / Science Talk / Re: Indigenous science?
Last post by random poet - February 24, 2024, 02:22:42 PM
Quote from: Quetzalcoatl on February 24, 2024, 11:30:08 AM
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Quote from: random poet on February 21, 2024, 07:41:08 PMYeah the other fascists in Canada are also up in arms about their made-up strawman version of this.

You are in great company, Quetz. Just keep sliding on down the right-wing insanity pipeline.

I am not Canadian. Neither is Mark Crislip, Steven Novella, or David Gorski. Try again.

Also, from the article about Canada in the OP:

QuoteKnowledge Holders who know how the lake behaves and the characteristics of the lake. In the Indigenous worldview the lake is a living entity. The Knowledge Holders are stewards of this lake.

Is this, in your view, a belief that is equally valid to the knowledge of "Western science" and should complement it?

You're comparing apples to chalk. Nobody is peer-reviewing the concept of the lake being a living entity. Nobody is publishing papers in Nature about it.

There is science, which is done in a very specific way, with methods, data and conclusions, and then there is indigenous cultural knowledge, which is not.

In this particular case, the indigenous methods of managing the lake may well be ecologically valid, and thus should be taken seriously. But nobody should mistake that as being science.

It really depends on how you define the difference between a living entity and an ecosystem. The lines are not that clear.

A lake is an ecosystem. Some ecosystems (like humans) are living entities. Some biologists and environmentalists see them the same way.

Would you consider a corpse to be a living entity? After all, it is an ecosystem. Life has fuzzy definitions, but the fuzziness is not with lakes.

How environmentalists view it is irrelevant, many environmentalists are unfortunately into woo.

To consider lakes as living entities is an example of animism. It does not become scientific just because you put the label "indigenous" in front of it.
Yep, a lake is definitely the same thing as a corpse. Someone better tell the indians, who are too fucking stupid to know the difference, obviously, according to this Swedish brain genius.

I was responding to CarbShark's post saying that there are no clear lines betweeen ecosystems and living entities, not saying that indigenous peoples think that corpses are identical to lakes. You are clearly not engaging in good faith and are just strawmanning. And animism is not scientific, no matter how much your political ideology might say it should be.

Also, you did not answer the question if you consider Mark Crislip, Steven Novella and David Gorski to be fascists. I predict you are never seriously going to answer that question. Why? Because your designation of that label to people depend on how you perceive their social status.
You brought those people up yourself, in a post completely unrelated to the topic. You can answer your own dumb incoherent questions yourself.